Hi ya'll! Been a long time...
Anywho, Sam, I agree very much just as does Walead with your observations... you've mostly said it all...
Walead, who's this Annie person that Ben's related to? I don't recall this plot line...
I must say it was an overall very satisfying ending to the season (even tho the liars at ABC didn't include ANY new footage to the first of the 3 hrs after they advertised it as so). The reveal was a little weak for me tho... Locke being Bentham?
I think it was really smart to have two improtant relationship milestones occur. The reconciliatory 'chance' meeting of Penny and Desmond, and the last moments of Jin and Sun... they both were very moving moments that played with the strenght of love. So amazing!
Ummm.... what the hell is up with Ben? He is SOOOO damn selfish! IT'S INSANITY! "So" was his reply to Locke's comment on the boat being full of innocent people about to die!!! Damn... he's still got the creepies.
click to see smokey, he's from Newark...
Anywho, on a last note, Please to enjoy Smokey Didas, on a never-before seen interview on his perspective on the island an its newest arrivals... hehe watch it to the end and enjoy!
6.02.2008
Gouge away
I was very excited to hear one of my favorite Pixies songs in the episode, "Gouge Away." Jack is listening to it as he drives to the funeral parlor, all drunk and upset-like.
"Gouge Away" re-tells the Biblical story of Samson, who was the strongest warrior of the Israelites but was betrayed by the woman he loved and delivered into the hands of the enemy. Ultimately, Samson saves his people by killing himself - pulling down the pillars of the Philistine's palace, killing their king and all his warriors.
I'd like to believe that this is foreshadowing - that ultimately Jack will follow a similar course of action - that the only way he'll be able to redeem himself (having already refused several shots at redemption - landing on the island, Kate's love, fatherhood to his nephew) and save his friends will be to destroy himself along with the enemies of the island.
"Gouge Away" re-tells the Biblical story of Samson, who was the strongest warrior of the Israelites but was betrayed by the woman he loved and delivered into the hands of the enemy. Ultimately, Samson saves his people by killing himself - pulling down the pillars of the Philistine's palace, killing their king and all his warriors.
I'd like to believe that this is foreshadowing - that ultimately Jack will follow a similar course of action - that the only way he'll be able to redeem himself (having already refused several shots at redemption - landing on the island, Kate's love, fatherhood to his nephew) and save his friends will be to destroy himself along with the enemies of the island.
Do you think...
... that Jack is going to kidnap Kate and Aaron? I can't imagine them going willingly. Kate is going to have to go through some REALLY MAJOR HORRIBLE SHIT in the course of the next season before she's so hard up that she actually consents to going back.
That was always my biggest objection to the film Aliens. Why the hell would Sigourney Weaver go back to that planet? She wouldn't. They try to give her all these horrible nightmares, and make it like she's got to go back in order to overcome her trauma from the first film, but that's bullshit. She would have popped a damn Ambien and gotten rid of that cat and slept like a baby.
That was always my biggest objection to the film Aliens. Why the hell would Sigourney Weaver go back to that planet? She wouldn't. They try to give her all these horrible nightmares, and make it like she's got to go back in order to overcome her trauma from the first film, but that's bullshit. She would have popped a damn Ambien and gotten rid of that cat and slept like a baby.
Who's In The Box
So... i must say that i was a little disappointed in the "Jeremy Bentham" reveal. It's interesting to think of Locke turning into Ben, globe-hopping around and sending mysterious letters and tryna fuck shit up BUT Locke is already such a huge character, with so much narrative importance. I was really hoping Jeremy Bentham would turn out to be some really minor character who would ultimately rise to become a central figure - like we're seeing with Christian Shepherd. It would have been fascinating to see Daniel Faraday or Bernard in the coffin - somebody who has had a pretty minor role up to now, and then imagine the narrative arc that is going to transform them into the next Ben/Widmore.
Also? I thought the opening of the episode was AMAZING - cutting from the recap flashback of Jack screaming "We have to go back!" to the exact same point in time, with Kate braking and getting out of her car to be all "what the frack." Really clever.
Also? I thought the opening of the episode was AMAZING - cutting from the recap flashback of Jack screaming "We have to go back!" to the exact same point in time, with Kate braking and getting out of her car to be all "what the frack." Really clever.
5.30.2008
i WILL keep going...
... until somebody else fucking says something!
Overall episode high point?
The Penny-Desmond reunion!! Amazing! So beautiful! So Odysseus! That arc has been really well-structured; even though i have always felt like Desmond was such an inexcusable jackass/coward for breaking it off with Penny, and that as a result he didn't deserve her, i think the story of his redemption was really excellent.
(and did anybody else feel like Claire's mom looked a lot like Penny?)
Overall episode high point?
The Penny-Desmond reunion!! Amazing! So beautiful! So Odysseus! That arc has been really well-structured; even though i have always felt like Desmond was such an inexcusable jackass/coward for breaking it off with Penny, and that as a result he didn't deserve her, i think the story of his redemption was really excellent.
(and did anybody else feel like Claire's mom looked a lot like Penny?)
Way to go, Sawyer
Also? I LOVED the helicopter scene. I loved that moment where probably for the first time in his life Sawyer really made an unselfish choice where he basically fucked himself up to save people he cared about.
Also? I thought the whole Jin/Sun thing was brilliant. Really well done. When Sun told Michael "I'm pregnant," just before he went down below deck, i was like "why the fuck would she tell him that?" and then when Michael said to Jin "you need to go now. You're going to be a father" i was like "Oh THAT'S why!!" And Sun's acting in the helicopter-taking-off/explosion scene was phenomenal.
Also? I thought the whole Jin/Sun thing was brilliant. Really well done. When Sun told Michael "I'm pregnant," just before he went down below deck, i was like "why the fuck would she tell him that?" and then when Michael said to Jin "you need to go now. You're going to be a father" i was like "Oh THAT'S why!!" And Sun's acting in the helicopter-taking-off/explosion scene was phenomenal.
Let's Try to Have a Real Conversation Here, People
Ok, in the name of getting this party started, can I just say that it is a testament to the talent of the writers on this show that i felt a little pang in my heart when Ben said:
"Because the person who moves this island can never come back here."
?
like, for real? the most evil/infuriating man on television? being robbed of the thing he loves most in the universe? but doing it willingly because that's what it needs?
[blinks back eye moisture]
"Because the person who moves this island can never come back here."
?
like, for real? the most evil/infuriating man on television? being robbed of the thing he loves most in the universe? but doing it willingly because that's what it needs?
[blinks back eye moisture]
5.26.2008
Season Four... the Shinning
Greetings from Hawai'i! Lydia and I are officially on THE island and it's awesome out here. It wouldn't surprise me if much of the events of LOST were actually inspired by traveling around Oahu and the other Hawaiian islands. As you might expect, there are some amazing and also mysterious sights around, including lots of relics from military activity here on the islands, especially Oahu (perhaps surprisingly, the Pearl Harbor memorial was less interesting than some of the actual abandoned military "stations" on Oahu).
We're really looking forward to watching the 2-hr season finale here. Perhaps we'll even try finding a local bar where it's playing.
But enough of that -- let's talk about Season Four! A few quick thoughts:
(1) One lament I have regarding this season is that it's the first that really opens the door to the supernatural. It was always suggested (e.g., the smoke monster, Locke walking), but I always thought that maybe there were going to be scientific explanations for everything (e.g., electro-magnetism, nanotechnology, etc.). But perhaps starting in earnest in the third season and now in full bloom in the fourth, there appears to be a concession at this point that some things can only be explained by the supernatural. I think I first started dreading this when I saw Miles in the first episode communicating with ghosts -- it really did feel like the beginning of the end. I find supernaturality conceptually very interesting, but the problem with it in a show like this is that it feels like a cheat. In other words, all these crazy things happen and you're wracking your brain to try and figure it out, but in a world with the supernatural, there really can't be any figuring anything out because if the supernatural exists then ANYthing is possible, so it takes logic off the table (this, incidentally, is also one of my many many issues with religion generally). So... I don't know how you guys feel about it, but I definitely found myself frowning a little at some of these supernatural events. For me, this translates into making the writers' jobs much easier and pulls the viewers' job right out from underneath them. It's not that I don't think the show can pull off this trick without being cheap about it, it's just that I kinah wish it wasn't necessary.
(2) I found the theory Sam posted really interesting! It sounds a lot like the movie "Primer," which was a lot of fun. That movie came out in 2004, so it wouldn't shock me if it inspired ideas for the show. I would agree that there appears to be a time-shifting element to Lost, but I'm not sure how it's going to play out. The writers actually said a season or two ago that there was no time traveling going on, but maybe that was just to continue the mystery? The question is, does the Orchid allow for time travel or tele-portation (the orientation video can be interpreted to support either one)? Put another way, when Locke says they have to "move the Island," does he mean move it in time or move it geographically? It may be that the Orchid does both. We saw (I think) Ben tele-port to the desert (wearing an Orchid jacket), and we know a polar bear ends up in the desert, so maybe the Orchid allows for tele-portation to select areas of the world. But does it allow for time-shifting as well? We do need some way to explain Richard Alpert... Any thoughts before we see it unravel in a few days?
(3) Anyone else catch that in the last episode the Oceanic rep. said the O6 were missing for 108 days before they found rescue on that new island? They've been on the island for approximately 100 days now, so either they get rescued VERY soon or there is some time-shifting going on. Perhaps they really will get rescued at the end of this season or early next season and the flash-forwards will become the "present"? I really love how the show plays with time and uses it as a way to develop characters, so I'm looking forward to them doing something really interesting after the O6 get off the island!
We're really looking forward to watching the 2-hr season finale here. Perhaps we'll even try finding a local bar where it's playing.
But enough of that -- let's talk about Season Four! A few quick thoughts:
(1) One lament I have regarding this season is that it's the first that really opens the door to the supernatural. It was always suggested (e.g., the smoke monster, Locke walking), but I always thought that maybe there were going to be scientific explanations for everything (e.g., electro-magnetism, nanotechnology, etc.). But perhaps starting in earnest in the third season and now in full bloom in the fourth, there appears to be a concession at this point that some things can only be explained by the supernatural. I think I first started dreading this when I saw Miles in the first episode communicating with ghosts -- it really did feel like the beginning of the end. I find supernaturality conceptually very interesting, but the problem with it in a show like this is that it feels like a cheat. In other words, all these crazy things happen and you're wracking your brain to try and figure it out, but in a world with the supernatural, there really can't be any figuring anything out because if the supernatural exists then ANYthing is possible, so it takes logic off the table (this, incidentally, is also one of my many many issues with religion generally). So... I don't know how you guys feel about it, but I definitely found myself frowning a little at some of these supernatural events. For me, this translates into making the writers' jobs much easier and pulls the viewers' job right out from underneath them. It's not that I don't think the show can pull off this trick without being cheap about it, it's just that I kinah wish it wasn't necessary.
(2) I found the theory Sam posted really interesting! It sounds a lot like the movie "Primer," which was a lot of fun. That movie came out in 2004, so it wouldn't shock me if it inspired ideas for the show. I would agree that there appears to be a time-shifting element to Lost, but I'm not sure how it's going to play out. The writers actually said a season or two ago that there was no time traveling going on, but maybe that was just to continue the mystery? The question is, does the Orchid allow for time travel or tele-portation (the orientation video can be interpreted to support either one)? Put another way, when Locke says they have to "move the Island," does he mean move it in time or move it geographically? It may be that the Orchid does both. We saw (I think) Ben tele-port to the desert (wearing an Orchid jacket), and we know a polar bear ends up in the desert, so maybe the Orchid allows for tele-portation to select areas of the world. But does it allow for time-shifting as well? We do need some way to explain Richard Alpert... Any thoughts before we see it unravel in a few days?
(3) Anyone else catch that in the last episode the Oceanic rep. said the O6 were missing for 108 days before they found rescue on that new island? They've been on the island for approximately 100 days now, so either they get rescued VERY soon or there is some time-shifting going on. Perhaps they really will get rescued at the end of this season or early next season and the flash-forwards will become the "present"? I really love how the show plays with time and uses it as a way to develop characters, so I'm looking forward to them doing something really interesting after the O6 get off the island!
5.16.2008
Most Comprehensive LOST Theory EVER!
Okay, I havent read this yet, but it seemed like something some of us would totally tear into... including Walead, who might have written it.
http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/15025
xo
S
http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/15025
xo
S
5.13.2008
4.20.2008
can we please take a moment...
and before the new episodes start airing this week,
share with the group your favorite Rousseau moments/thoughts
in the memory of this bewildering crazy french lady...
My favorite was being frightened and excited that this tough Ripley-like woman had survived on her own... making all sorts of Lord of the Flies -like booby-traps!
News Flash: LOST finale on my Birthday, 1 extra ep
Lost finale lengthened, split
By Tim Surette - TV.com
April 14, 2008 at 10:46:00 AM
Two-hour, two-week finale becomes three-hour, three-week event with break in middle; Grey's cap also stretched an extra hour.
Lost must be feeling a little bit like its time-jumping Scotsman Desmond right now. It's on one week, off for another few weeks, is getting rebroadcast with "enhanced" versions at other times--a bit confusing in the space-time continuum of television scheduling.
And things just got a bit more complicated--probably for the best for Lost fans. As rumored last week, ABC has approved an extra hour of Lost this season, extending the series to a total of 14 hours for season four, according to E! Online. The program was slated to have 16 hours of run time this season, but complications from the writers' strike lopped off a few episodes from the schedule.
For Lost fans, more Lost trumps any other small inconveniences, so an extra hour of the sci-fi drama this season overshadows what ABC had to do to squeeze the additional 60 minutes.
The final two episodes are being branded as a Lost three-hour finale, with one hour on May 15 and two hours on May 29. Why no Lost on May 22? Apparently Lost masterminds Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse were able to convince the network that the final two hours of this season had to be shown together.
In making the arrangement, Lost--which begins airing at 10 p.m. when it returns April 24--then bumped its final episode a week, presumably to move up to the more viewer-friendly 9 p.m.-11 p.m. slot.
This, in turn, opened up the May 22 10 p.m.-11 p.m. time period, which ABC has decided to use to add another hour to the finale of Grey's Anatomy. A two-hour Grey's Anatomy season finale will now air that night after the one-hour Ugly Betty season finale.
An extra hour of Lost at the cost of another (short) break between episodes--is it worth it? More Grey's Anatomy! Comment below!
By Tim Surette - TV.com
April 14, 2008 at 10:46:00 AM
Two-hour, two-week finale becomes three-hour, three-week event with break in middle; Grey's cap also stretched an extra hour.
Lost must be feeling a little bit like its time-jumping Scotsman Desmond right now. It's on one week, off for another few weeks, is getting rebroadcast with "enhanced" versions at other times--a bit confusing in the space-time continuum of television scheduling.
And things just got a bit more complicated--probably for the best for Lost fans. As rumored last week, ABC has approved an extra hour of Lost this season, extending the series to a total of 14 hours for season four, according to E! Online. The program was slated to have 16 hours of run time this season, but complications from the writers' strike lopped off a few episodes from the schedule.
For Lost fans, more Lost trumps any other small inconveniences, so an extra hour of the sci-fi drama this season overshadows what ABC had to do to squeeze the additional 60 minutes.
The final two episodes are being branded as a Lost three-hour finale, with one hour on May 15 and two hours on May 29. Why no Lost on May 22? Apparently Lost masterminds Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse were able to convince the network that the final two hours of this season had to be shown together.
In making the arrangement, Lost--which begins airing at 10 p.m. when it returns April 24--then bumped its final episode a week, presumably to move up to the more viewer-friendly 9 p.m.-11 p.m. slot.
This, in turn, opened up the May 22 10 p.m.-11 p.m. time period, which ABC has decided to use to add another hour to the finale of Grey's Anatomy. A two-hour Grey's Anatomy season finale will now air that night after the one-hour Ugly Betty season finale.
An extra hour of Lost at the cost of another (short) break between episodes--is it worth it? More Grey's Anatomy! Comment below!
3.18.2008
Die Alone
So, unless I heard wrong, I believe the teaser for this week's episode said that someone's gonna die. Any thoughts as to who that might be?
We know it can't be any of the O6.
It would be kinah cheap if it was a non-Ben, non-Juliet Other. And we know it ain't Ben. Maybe Juliet? Maybe Richard Alpert?
It would be kinah cheap if it was a Boatie, but I could see maybe Miles because Ben's free now?
I doubt it'll be Michael, mostly because I think he's the guy in the coffin.
For the same reason, I don't think it'll be Walt (the clipping said the deceased was survived by a son).
I don't think they'd kill Jin so soon after his episode -- although, his story arc seems to have reached full circle, meaning it might be his time to go.
Claire might be the one, but it seems a little too early to have Kate adopt Aaron.
It would be too random if it was Rose or Bernard -- although, Rose IS black...
Sawyer is too popular.
Locke is too popular/important.
I doubt it'll be Desmond because the whole Widmore connection seems too important.
So who's left? Hey, what happened to Rosseau and Alex? We haven't heard peep one from them since the first episode of this season. Keep an eye out...
Juliet is also a good option. I just don't know if there's more from her story that we still need to hear, or if she really is "done." Juancy, I think you think there's more coming from her? Mmkay, but she's still a suspect.
I dunno. I guess I'm leaning toward either Miles, Juliet, or perhaps Claire.
If they bring back Mikhail just to die again, I'm gonna flip.
We know it can't be any of the O6.
It would be kinah cheap if it was a non-Ben, non-Juliet Other. And we know it ain't Ben. Maybe Juliet? Maybe Richard Alpert?
It would be kinah cheap if it was a Boatie, but I could see maybe Miles because Ben's free now?
I doubt it'll be Michael, mostly because I think he's the guy in the coffin.
For the same reason, I don't think it'll be Walt (the clipping said the deceased was survived by a son).
I don't think they'd kill Jin so soon after his episode -- although, his story arc seems to have reached full circle, meaning it might be his time to go.
Claire might be the one, but it seems a little too early to have Kate adopt Aaron.
It would be too random if it was Rose or Bernard -- although, Rose IS black...
Sawyer is too popular.
Locke is too popular/important.
I doubt it'll be Desmond because the whole Widmore connection seems too important.
So who's left? Hey, what happened to Rosseau and Alex? We haven't heard peep one from them since the first episode of this season. Keep an eye out...
Juliet is also a good option. I just don't know if there's more from her story that we still need to hear, or if she really is "done." Juancy, I think you think there's more coming from her? Mmkay, but she's still a suspect.
I dunno. I guess I'm leaning toward either Miles, Juliet, or perhaps Claire.
If they bring back Mikhail just to die again, I'm gonna flip.
3.14.2008
LOVED it
Oh my god. Great episode! I haven't cried that much at a television show since Jaslene won America's Next Top Model, two seasons ago. Amazing.
I was gonna write a big long thing, but i am afraid Tina will delete it "by accident" like she did to my FAKE SPOILER ALERT last week.
[shakes fist at sky]
all i'll say now is: do we think it means anything that none of the other Oceanic Six showed up, besides Hurley? I mean, i know she lives in Korea, and all, but they got their fracking golden tickets. and they're rich. i mean, they can jaunt around the globe like that. if they want to. so are they mad at Sun? (didnt Hurley look cute in his lil suit?!?)
and did everybody catch the date on Jin's tombstone? 9/22/04
I was gonna write a big long thing, but i am afraid Tina will delete it "by accident" like she did to my FAKE SPOILER ALERT last week.
[shakes fist at sky]
all i'll say now is: do we think it means anything that none of the other Oceanic Six showed up, besides Hurley? I mean, i know she lives in Korea, and all, but they got their fracking golden tickets. and they're rich. i mean, they can jaunt around the globe like that. if they want to. so are they mad at Sun? (didnt Hurley look cute in his lil suit?!?)
and did everybody catch the date on Jin's tombstone? 9/22/04
The List is Life
Alright, people. Now that all the O6 have finally been revealed, I can say that my list was ALMOST 100% right. The list was Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, and Jin. So, It looks like Jin's out and Aaron's in. However, for a minute I wondered whether it's possible that Jin did make it off the island, only to die on the mainland. But his tombstone said he died on September 22, 2004, the date of the crash, so he probably didn't make it off the island. So, fine. It wasn't a perfect list.
So it looks like it was Ben who staged the Oceanic 815 crash? Seriously, where is he getting all this money... and the dead bodies? Is it possible we're going to find out that maybe Ben is in cahoots with a COMPETING corporation? In other words, let's say that both Widmore and Hanso were looking to exploit the island, and Ben found that Hanso was the better corporation for whatever reason, and so he's actually being funded by Hanso and part of their agreement is that they keep Widmore away. Thoughts?
So it looks like it was Ben who staged the Oceanic 815 crash? Seriously, where is he getting all this money... and the dead bodies? Is it possible we're going to find out that maybe Ben is in cahoots with a COMPETING corporation? In other words, let's say that both Widmore and Hanso were looking to exploit the island, and Ben found that Hanso was the better corporation for whatever reason, and so he's actually being funded by Hanso and part of their agreement is that they keep Widmore away. Thoughts?
3.13.2008
Riddle Me This
- Did anyone notice the that the show playing in the background at Sun's apartment was that horrible Nikki's (I think her name is Nikki) show?
- Why did Jin ask Kate "What Happened?' at the top of the show with no hint of an accent?
- Has pregnancy made Sun gangsta?
- What was Sun trying to accomplish by going to Locke's camp?
Better Late Than Never
After days of promising to contribute to the LOST blog (You know, besides being forced to defend myself against Juancy's affronts), I have finally gotten a moment to write. AND NOT A MOMENT TOO SOON...it being Thursday and all. Now, try, if you can, to remember back to last week or a least the 8 p.m. encore presentation.
I did read though all the blogs after watching the show and came to a conclusion -- You, my friends, are fickle. Oh, ye of little faith, calling the episode boring. Look how quickly you maligned our once beloved flashbacks. There was a time that we longed for those flashbacks. Our Thursday blog meanderings were full of excited sightings of secondary and tertiary characters skulking around in the background of our beloved LOSTies' lives. John Locke installing an air conditioner at Sayid's woman's house. Claire traipsing around the Nigerian bush with Mr. Eko's dead brother. Oh, how I loved it! How we loved it!!
But now, oh now, since JJ has seen fit to introduce us to the flash forward, suddenly, no one has use for the flashback. These flashbacks are part what made us love LOST, people! Granted there were no huge secrets revealed in this episode. We still don't know what the black smoke monster is and that damn whispering in the jungle doesn't freak me out any less because of any new found level of understanding. However, sometimes the little secrets are just as appealing.
I have long wondered how a boy with no mother, dire daddy issues, and the unfortunate propensity to hallucinate from time to time could grow into this leader with an unfortunate propensity toward mass murder that scores people follow unwaveringly. You'd figure there'd have to be some repercussions right? I never could quite figure out why we didn't see Ben's icy resolve waver a bit. I mean his past was anything but normal. And even when he was in a pinch, his control over the others, despite a break for an occasional LOSTie pummeling, was always so calculated and complete...with one exception .
When Ben turned to Juliet and said, "Because you're, mine!" I actually gasped. It scared me because we know what Ben is capable of when he's thinking clearly, in control. He always seems to be in control. Hell, even when he's being pummeled by one of our cast faves I often wonder if I see him out of the corner of my eye sippin' on some Sleepytime tea.
In a much subtler display of wild and wacky Ben, we saw him scampering around the room trying to prepare dinner for Juliet. He even tried to evoke some sort of jealousy/make Juliet forget about Goodwin by lying about how Goodwin was "almost inappropriately" passionate about Ana Lucia to join the others. When Juliet continued to talk about Goodwin, Ben sniped that Goodwin was going to stay put, but not before adding a very ominous "Goodwin's assignment will be over soon. I promise you." Well good for you Ben! Yes, you killed your last girlfriend, as well as your father and an entire village, but that's no reason not to get back up on that horse. Get cho'self a girl!! Juliet may just play a key role in the LOSTies futures (provided she makes it through this week's episode). Don't count her out just yet.
My favorite part of last week's episode had to be Ben, almost as if to he was trying to erase his brief moment of indiscretion, following up his mini meltdown with an all too creepy, "Take as much time as you need." Well, thanks, Ben.
I did read though all the blogs after watching the show and came to a conclusion -- You, my friends, are fickle. Oh, ye of little faith, calling the episode boring. Look how quickly you maligned our once beloved flashbacks. There was a time that we longed for those flashbacks. Our Thursday blog meanderings were full of excited sightings of secondary and tertiary characters skulking around in the background of our beloved LOSTies' lives. John Locke installing an air conditioner at Sayid's woman's house. Claire traipsing around the Nigerian bush with Mr. Eko's dead brother. Oh, how I loved it! How we loved it!!
But now, oh now, since JJ has seen fit to introduce us to the flash forward, suddenly, no one has use for the flashback. These flashbacks are part what made us love LOST, people! Granted there were no huge secrets revealed in this episode. We still don't know what the black smoke monster is and that damn whispering in the jungle doesn't freak me out any less because of any new found level of understanding. However, sometimes the little secrets are just as appealing.
I have long wondered how a boy with no mother, dire daddy issues, and the unfortunate propensity to hallucinate from time to time could grow into this leader with an unfortunate propensity toward mass murder that scores people follow unwaveringly. You'd figure there'd have to be some repercussions right? I never could quite figure out why we didn't see Ben's icy resolve waver a bit. I mean his past was anything but normal. And even when he was in a pinch, his control over the others, despite a break for an occasional LOSTie pummeling, was always so calculated and complete...with one exception .
When Ben turned to Juliet and said, "Because you're, mine!" I actually gasped. It scared me because we know what Ben is capable of when he's thinking clearly, in control. He always seems to be in control. Hell, even when he's being pummeled by one of our cast faves I often wonder if I see him out of the corner of my eye sippin' on some Sleepytime tea.
In a much subtler display of wild and wacky Ben, we saw him scampering around the room trying to prepare dinner for Juliet. He even tried to evoke some sort of jealousy/make Juliet forget about Goodwin by lying about how Goodwin was "almost inappropriately" passionate about Ana Lucia to join the others. When Juliet continued to talk about Goodwin, Ben sniped that Goodwin was going to stay put, but not before adding a very ominous "Goodwin's assignment will be over soon. I promise you." Well good for you Ben! Yes, you killed your last girlfriend, as well as your father and an entire village, but that's no reason not to get back up on that horse. Get cho'self a girl!! Juliet may just play a key role in the LOSTies futures (provided she makes it through this week's episode). Don't count her out just yet.
My favorite part of last week's episode had to be Ben, almost as if to he was trying to erase his brief moment of indiscretion, following up his mini meltdown with an all too creepy, "Take as much time as you need." Well, thanks, Ben.
3.08.2008
ramblings on thangs i done noted...
So, it seems to me that y'all are Juliet haters... I love myself some sensual kate as noted by
the blog posting her photos last year, but i still feel something for juliet. There's an interesting deceitful vulnerability to her that makes her appear weaker than she really is... anyway, i didn't appreciate how harlotty they made her appear when we were faked out as to her being one of the Oceanic Six, being interviewed by that Harper woman... (Walead, have u officially renounced your Oceanic Six list source yet?)
the blog posting her photos last year, but i still feel something for juliet. There's an interesting deceitful vulnerability to her that makes her appear weaker than she really is... anyway, i didn't appreciate how harlotty they made her appear when we were faked out as to her being one of the Oceanic Six, being interviewed by that Harper woman... (Walead, have u officially renounced your Oceanic Six list source yet?)i have a feeling that juliet isn't going to die on the island though, i really think they're toying with us and that the connections she has to the rest have yet to be revealed.
on another note, who do y'all think is in the boat as Ben's 'rat'??? Omg! Who could it be to supposedly shock us so much when its revealed?
also, the telepresence stuff is really interesting! The preceeding of the auditory -creepy voices- followed by the appearance of a person, ie. Harper or even grown-ass Walt, etc. We don't know how this works, but in comparison, we're pretty sure that Harper is still on the island and in connection with Ben to manipulate/pull the strings on Juliet (if she would have succeeded she would have also died), and while only a few weeks had passed from when Walt escaped with Michael and his appearance to Locke - now because of the time shift that we've seen proven, we can suppose that Walt is off the island where time passes faster/normally than on the island.
What would have Ben gained by killing mostly everyone again? I guess he could restart his little community with the natives and import newblood as needed? And again we see Ben doing the illest without getting his hands dirty...
just observations... (note Walt's shirt is the same, but the chile is grown some)
3.07.2008
ALSO off topic... best last sentences
Walead, I think this list will make you a little happier than the other one. Number 50 especially.
http://americanbookreview.org/PDF/100_Best_Last_Lines_from_Novels.pdf
It doesn't have my favorite: I Am Legend. But it's a pretty good list. (highlights: Under the Volcano, Grendel, As I Lay Dying, Lolita, Their Eyes Were Watching God).
http://americanbookreview.org/PDF/100_Best_Last_Lines_from_Novels.pdf
It doesn't have my favorite: I Am Legend. But it's a pretty good list. (highlights: Under the Volcano, Grendel, As I Lay Dying, Lolita, Their Eyes Were Watching God).
FAKE SPOILER ALERT!!
Okay, so this is a THEORY of mine, and is probably way off, but still, i thought i'd warn you.
I don't think Juliet gets off the island. i think she dies. Why do i say this? Because in the off-island future, Jack is still hung up on Kate, but as of this episode he's with Juliet. Now, Jack's no Sawyer - he doesnt love em and leave em. Once he gets his hands on you, you gotta like fake your death or chew your leg off to get away. So I dont see him just "moving on" from Juliet, not without some major major drama. Like say - her death. It's possible she doublecrosses him, but that would be too easy - and too familiar - and who would she betray him for? She hates Ben and fears the Boaties. One thing i did like about the episode - and i kinda agree with Tina about its relative "meh" factor, at least compared to the Aaron Bombshell - is that we've finally found a Ben weak point - something he loves. So i could see some ill shit going down with THAT lil plot point. Like someone who wants to hurt Ben (and the line for that honor goes around the block) will fuck her up.
Alternately, Juancy has a fascinating theory about Juliet's fate... but i'll let him tell you about it.
I don't think Juliet gets off the island. i think she dies. Why do i say this? Because in the off-island future, Jack is still hung up on Kate, but as of this episode he's with Juliet. Now, Jack's no Sawyer - he doesnt love em and leave em. Once he gets his hands on you, you gotta like fake your death or chew your leg off to get away. So I dont see him just "moving on" from Juliet, not without some major major drama. Like say - her death. It's possible she doublecrosses him, but that would be too easy - and too familiar - and who would she betray him for? She hates Ben and fears the Boaties. One thing i did like about the episode - and i kinda agree with Tina about its relative "meh" factor, at least compared to the Aaron Bombshell - is that we've finally found a Ben weak point - something he loves. So i could see some ill shit going down with THAT lil plot point. Like someone who wants to hurt Ben (and the line for that honor goes around the block) will fuck her up.
Alternately, Juancy has a fascinating theory about Juliet's fate... but i'll let him tell you about it.
Ehhh... Wake me when something happens
I found this episode a bit boring. I think nothing really happened to move the story along with the exception of finding out that Daddy Widmore is funding the freighter folk. But we kinda thought that anyway.
I thought that the Juliet flashbacks didn't really show us anything that we didn't know. And I thought her kiss with Jack was really un-hot! I may have threw up a little in my mouth. Also, I thought that the tempest meltdown plot line happened so quickly that it made it anti-climatic. Did we really think that everyone on the island was going to die?
The only interesting parts to me were: Ben's ability to communicate with the others even though he is captured and knowing for sure that Charles Widmore is looking for the island. Does he know that his daughter is looking for that same island. I dunno. What did you guys think?
I thought that the Juliet flashbacks didn't really show us anything that we didn't know. And I thought her kiss with Jack was really un-hot! I may have threw up a little in my mouth. Also, I thought that the tempest meltdown plot line happened so quickly that it made it anti-climatic. Did we really think that everyone on the island was going to die?
The only interesting parts to me were: Ben's ability to communicate with the others even though he is captured and knowing for sure that Charles Widmore is looking for the island. Does he know that his daughter is looking for that same island. I dunno. What did you guys think?
3.05.2008
Off topic
Here's times list of the best books of all time. How many have you read? What are your favorites?
http://www.time.com/time/2005/100books/the_complete_list.html
http://www.time.com/time/2005/100books/the_complete_list.html
3.04.2008
i just remembered!
i wanted to add something to the chat regarding the confirmation of time-travel we were revealed in last week's episode! Wanna hear? Here it go:
i kept getting the feeling that we were shown something related to this and remember someone commenting on cloning being a possible explanation... my reference point? The Orchid. the new hatch yet to be revealed where you can see in the orientation video below (which, thanks to this whole viral advertising, the nutty producers of LOST gave to us over the wait for the new season, thru the "youtubes").
The Orchid Orientation Film
our morbid predictions...
hey ya'll, so these are the results of the poll of "who's in the coffin?"
we were all able to vote more than once (i voted twice), therefore there are 9 votes.
now, if the trend of saffie and sarah not contributing to the blog started that far back, then that means sam, wawa, tina, and i are just quazii... (still... hint hint)
ResponsePercent ResponseCount
michael 44.4% 4
walt 11.1% 1
ben 33.3% 3
locke 11.1% 1
aaron 0.0% 0
answered question 9
we were all able to vote more than once (i voted twice), therefore there are 9 votes.
now, if the trend of saffie and sarah not contributing to the blog started that far back, then that means sam, wawa, tina, and i are just quazii... (still... hint hint)
ResponsePercent ResponseCount
michael 44.4% 4
walt 11.1% 1
ben 33.3% 3
locke 11.1% 1
aaron 0.0% 0
answered question 9
2.29.2008
Eggtown
Does anybody have any thoughts on why last week's episode was called Eggtown?
Here are mine:
* first shot is of eggs frying.
* Locke is evolving into a dictator, and it puts me in mind of the famous soviet saying "you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs." Like, we're gonna see some increasingly ill shit come out of Locke.
* Again, a new community has been constructed - eggtown, presumably - and the question that faces our main characters is: can you live as part of a community? can you give up your own selfishness and your own drama, and be a team player? Kate can't.
Here are mine:
* first shot is of eggs frying.
* Locke is evolving into a dictator, and it puts me in mind of the famous soviet saying "you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs." Like, we're gonna see some increasingly ill shit come out of Locke.
* Again, a new community has been constructed - eggtown, presumably - and the question that faces our main characters is: can you live as part of a community? can you give up your own selfishness and your own drama, and be a team player? Kate can't.
Unstuck in Time
What'd you guys think? I don't know how I feel about these Desmond-time-traveling episodes. What're we supposed to make of them? Following the theory from Slaughterhouse-Five, it looks like the show is suggesting that time exists on a contiuum and everything has already happened and it's just a matter of where you are on the timeline. And some people -- like Desmond -- are "unstuck in time," so they can jump around from different time periods in their own lives. It's interesting to think about this idea of time as it relates to memories and consciousness. Even the structure of the show with its flash-backs and flash-forwards seem to endorse this idea of jumping around in time. Flash-backs make sense to us because we assume they're events in one of the character's memories, but how do we understanding flash-forwards? We don't think of them as being "memories" because they haven't happened yet. But if we view them under the Slaughterhouse-Five theory, then we would argue that everything has already happened, most people just aren't conscious of the future. So the show isn't cheating by showing flash-forwards because the camera is unstuck in time, so to speak.
Another big question is whether time is different on and off the island. Is it just perceived to be different, or is it actually different? On the boat, it was Dec. 24, but on the island it was Dec. 27. But maybe it's not that time moves at different paces on and off the island (Penny says that Desmond has been gone for three years, which is about how long he's been on the island), but rather that the worm hole or whatever it is going to and off the island shifts time for those people traveling through it. It looks like the worm hole slows down time for a while for people going through it. And the quicker you go through it the less the time lapse is. So that the missle -- traveling quickly -- was only slowed by 30 minutes, but the helicopter, traveling slower, was slowed by a day or two. Hell, if Michael and Walt are traveling on their boat through this worm hole, they might still be waiting to pop out!
Thoughts?
Another big question is whether time is different on and off the island. Is it just perceived to be different, or is it actually different? On the boat, it was Dec. 24, but on the island it was Dec. 27. But maybe it's not that time moves at different paces on and off the island (Penny says that Desmond has been gone for three years, which is about how long he's been on the island), but rather that the worm hole or whatever it is going to and off the island shifts time for those people traveling through it. It looks like the worm hole slows down time for a while for people going through it. And the quicker you go through it the less the time lapse is. So that the missle -- traveling quickly -- was only slowed by 30 minutes, but the helicopter, traveling slower, was slowed by a day or two. Hell, if Michael and Walt are traveling on their boat through this worm hole, they might still be waiting to pop out!
Thoughts?
2.22.2008
holy fucking shit
People! I am very disappointed with you. That was an AMAZING episode, and it's 11:18 AM and NO ONE has had ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT? [amended at 11:43: Tina just posted something. thanks tina]
Oh my god. oh my god oh my god oh my god. I thought it was brilliant. I loved the tension of learning that Future Kate has a son... and then wondering if it's Sawyer's, if she was impregnated on the island, if she gives birth on the island, and then that revelation in the last shot was just too much!!! What the hell?!? WHAT THE HELL HAPPENS TO CLAIRE??! AND WHY CAN'T JACK DEAL WITH SEEING AARON?
(Props to Juancy - he totally called it... as soon as Kate walks in the door to her house, Juancy said "it's Aaron." And so it was).
But seriously people. What gives? Are we not feeling this blog so much anymore?
Oh my god. oh my god oh my god oh my god. I thought it was brilliant. I loved the tension of learning that Future Kate has a son... and then wondering if it's Sawyer's, if she was impregnated on the island, if she gives birth on the island, and then that revelation in the last shot was just too much!!! What the hell?!? WHAT THE HELL HAPPENS TO CLAIRE??! AND WHY CAN'T JACK DEAL WITH SEEING AARON?
(Props to Juancy - he totally called it... as soon as Kate walks in the door to her house, Juancy said "it's Aaron." And so it was).
But seriously people. What gives? Are we not feeling this blog so much anymore?
Aaron is the fith!
... but what does this mean about Claire! =( + i thought they were going to have Aaron as one of the Oceanic Six, but never thought that it would be without his mum. + Kate really took a complete turn from avoiding even touching the baby, to potentially sacrificing her freedom to keep him out of the public eye @ the trial. + Note also that even Kate's mother believes Aaron to be her grandson, bringing up questions of Lost-Time (aka MITTELOS), since Jack last mentioned they'd been there about 100 days, the delayed payload experiment/helicopter ride, and the fact that Kate was not 6mo pregnant when captured in Sydney. + What may have happened to Claire and thus most likely some other Castaways, Jack made the wrong decision if he can't face the child. Whatever occurred, we know it spirals him down to attempt suicide later on in the future. + Damn i love this crazy show!
2.15.2008
That's What I'm Talking About
You see? You see the difference between this episode and last week's? How much more emotionally satisfying and engaging it was? I really like Sayid, and it was nice to spend some quality time with him. In the future.
The Sawyer Kate scene was amazing. To see him crack open a teeny tiny bit, basically saying "please stay here with me," was very moving.
But what the fuck is up with Ben? So... we know he survives, gets off the island, etc... but we also know that he had quite an extensive off-island life all along (hence all that coin, and foreign passports... Lostpedia tells me that the name on the Swiss passport was "Moriarty," and Moriarty was the name of Sherlock Holmes' nemesis... widely regarded as literature's first "super villain").
Juancy wondered whether Jacob's cabin didn't appear because there were so many people (and it can only be revealed to specific individuals). Any thoughts on that, or alt theories?
The Sawyer Kate scene was amazing. To see him crack open a teeny tiny bit, basically saying "please stay here with me," was very moving.
But what the fuck is up with Ben? So... we know he survives, gets off the island, etc... but we also know that he had quite an extensive off-island life all along (hence all that coin, and foreign passports... Lostpedia tells me that the name on the Swiss passport was "Moriarty," and Moriarty was the name of Sherlock Holmes' nemesis... widely regarded as literature's first "super villain").
Juancy wondered whether Jacob's cabin didn't appear because there were so many people (and it can only be revealed to specific individuals). Any thoughts on that, or alt theories?
2.14.2008
is it a crime?
is it really sad that I just saw an ad for Chocolate Cherry Dr. Pepper and got SO SO SO SO SO excited? (and by "excited"... i mean "excited"). Like, i'm suddenly SO optimistic about the future!
Whee, new LOST episode tonight!
S
Whee, new LOST episode tonight!
S
2.13.2008
More on My "Meh"
After talking it over with Sarah, who disagreed with my negative assessment of last week's episode, i feel like what really left me cold about the episode was the fact that there was no development of the plots of ANY of the characters we care about. I felt like they could have introduced all these new folks through the eyes of one of the Losties or Others, or even an off-island connection (Libby, Penny, etc), or at the very least interspersed their stories with some more backstory or interpersonal on-island stuff. I mean for Christ's sake, ONE WINK between Jack and Kate? That's all we get? fuck.
More Lost
Word on Lostpedia is that now that the writers' strike is over, the Lost writers are going to write 5 more episodes for this season and will shift the 3 episodes they didn't do for this season to seasons 5 and 6, so that the full 48 episodes will be made.
It looks like there will also be about a month break between season 4 episodes 8 and 9-13.
It looks like there will also be about a month break between season 4 episodes 8 and 9-13.
2.08.2008
Confirmed Dead?
Hmm... Anyone have any thoughts on this episode? I really enjoyed, personally. It seems like the show is willing to give away secrets a little faster this season than in previous seasons (compare, for instance, season 3, where very little was given away till much later on). I also really liked the pacing and the cross-cutting between the two camps and the 4 Boaties. Some random thoughts:
1. I think they sort of explained why no one can see the island. Because of the extreme electromagnetism on the island, the island literally bends light in such a way that if you're standing off the island, you can't see the island because light off the island doesn't bounce back to you. The physicst made a big point about how weird the light was on the island -- I think that's because the electromagnetism is so strong that it pulls on light in funny ways. And when the Swan blew up, it had a momentary weird effect on the electromagnetism, making the island visible for a second.
2. I really like the Boaties! Unlike, again, in Season 3, where so little was initially given to us about the new characters we were meeting, I loved the flashbacks for the 5 Boaties (including Naomi), and I was especially intrigued by Charlotte and her flashback (if Dharma was concerned with global warming, perhaps they were testing whether polar bears could stand warmer climates?).
3. Sam may have mentioned this before, but I think Hurley does seem to have greater powers than we previously thought. He saw the cabin, he saw Jacob, he saw Dave, he saw Charlie, and he even has a bird that screams his name.
4. That Miles guy looks crazy! I'd be worried about his ass.
5. Why are they trying to find Ben? If the Boaties are the Dharma-backers, then they must have gotten wind that Ben defected and orchestrated the Purge, so they're seeking revenge. Also, remember how weirded out they were when they found out Juliet was a "native"? If they are from Dharma, then they probably still think of the natives as Hostiles.
6. I love that Locke's big question was "what's the black smoke?" I believe Ben when he said he didn't know.
1. I think they sort of explained why no one can see the island. Because of the extreme electromagnetism on the island, the island literally bends light in such a way that if you're standing off the island, you can't see the island because light off the island doesn't bounce back to you. The physicst made a big point about how weird the light was on the island -- I think that's because the electromagnetism is so strong that it pulls on light in funny ways. And when the Swan blew up, it had a momentary weird effect on the electromagnetism, making the island visible for a second.
2. I really like the Boaties! Unlike, again, in Season 3, where so little was initially given to us about the new characters we were meeting, I loved the flashbacks for the 5 Boaties (including Naomi), and I was especially intrigued by Charlotte and her flashback (if Dharma was concerned with global warming, perhaps they were testing whether polar bears could stand warmer climates?).
3. Sam may have mentioned this before, but I think Hurley does seem to have greater powers than we previously thought. He saw the cabin, he saw Jacob, he saw Dave, he saw Charlie, and he even has a bird that screams his name.
4. That Miles guy looks crazy! I'd be worried about his ass.
5. Why are they trying to find Ben? If the Boaties are the Dharma-backers, then they must have gotten wind that Ben defected and orchestrated the Purge, so they're seeking revenge. Also, remember how weirded out they were when they found out Juliet was a "native"? If they are from Dharma, then they probably still think of the natives as Hostiles.
6. I love that Locke's big question was "what's the black smoke?" I believe Ben when he said he didn't know.
2.07.2008
2.06.2008
coffin debate poll... just to be morbid
here's info from Lostpedia again, get to the poll (just on the right of this page)!
The Hoffs/Drawlar Coffin is seen in "Through the Looking Glass" in Jack's flash-forward. The identity of the deceased individual inside the coffin has yet to be revealed.
Jack learned of the person's death through a obituary. According to the obituary he is named Jo[.. ..]antham. He died in "The Tower" (Apartments?) on Grand Avenue in downtown Los Angeles.
When Jack visits the Hoffs/Drawlar Funeral Parlor, the casket is closed. The funeral director informs him that he is the only one to come to the viewing. He then asks Jack if he is friend or family of the deceased; Jack replies that he is "neither" (or possibly "either"). When asked if he wants the casket opened, Jack says no and the director leaves. Jack lays a hand on the casket, appearing deeply saddened.
Producer's comment
On December 7, 2007, executive producer Carlton Cuse confirmed that the person in the coffin is a character that the audience has seen before. [1]
The Hoffs/Drawlar Coffin is seen in "Through the Looking Glass" in Jack's flash-forward. The identity of the deceased individual inside the coffin has yet to be revealed.Jack learned of the person's death through a obituary. According to the obituary he is named Jo[.. ..]antham. He died in "The Tower" (Apartments?) on Grand Avenue in downtown Los Angeles.
When Jack visits the Hoffs/Drawlar Funeral Parlor, the casket is closed. The funeral director informs him that he is the only one to come to the viewing. He then asks Jack if he is friend or family of the deceased; Jack replies that he is "neither" (or possibly "either"). When asked if he wants the casket opened, Jack says no and the director leaves. Jack lays a hand on the casket, appearing deeply saddened.
Producer's comment
On December 7, 2007, executive producer Carlton Cuse confirmed that the person in the coffin is a character that the audience has seen before. [1]
Oceanic Flight 815
Here are some youtube videos referencing Oceanic... click the link.
This is the Golden pass commercial aired during that stupid show, which contai
ns a hack by some bearded guy named Sam ...
ns a hack by some bearded guy named Sam ...--Sam Thomas: We can't trust these people.
--Woman 3: ...so be sure to enter.
--Sam Thomas: Oceanic Flight 815.
--Woman 3: It's super-easy, the rules are simple.
--Sam Thomas: We found it.
--Woman 3: ...so be sure to enter.
--Sam Thomas: Oceanic Flight 815.
--Woman 3: It's super-easy, the rules are simple.
--Sam Thomas: We found it.
not the haitian...
There is also this bit of info I found about the two new names (linked to Lostpedia) introduced in this episode, both of which connect to the theories the producers/writers perpetuate througout the net:
1. The oh-so-dearly referenced Haitian is named Matthew Abaddon could be interpreted to be the gate keeper, aka. Cerberus (aka smokey):
In Hebrew Abaddon means "destroyer," or "destruction". More precisely, this name comes from the Hebrew root word aleph-bet-daled, which means "lost".
In Job 26:6; Proverbs 15:11 Abaddon means "place of destruction", or "realm of the dead". In Revelation 9:11, it is personified as Abaddon, "Angel of the Abyss". Many biblical scholars believe Abaddon to be Satan or the antichrist. Others argue that is a mistaken view since the angel "Abaddon" possesses the keys to the Abyss into which Satan is hurled or imprisoned, indicating that he serves as Satan's "jailer" and must therefore be someone else.
2. Our newest arrival on the island, George Minkowski, connects to the idea of time travel or lost time:
George Minkowski is the name of the man on the other end of the satellite phone when Jack calls at the end of "Through the Looking Glass". He is also heard in "The Beginning of the End".
"Minkowski" is the name of a German mathematician. The space which is named after him is a hyper-dimensional manifold in which Einstein's equations for special relativity are perfectly solvable.
1. The oh-so-dearly referenced Haitian is named Matthew Abaddon could be interpreted to be the gate keeper, aka. Cerberus (aka smokey):
In Hebrew Abaddon means "destroyer," or "destruction". More precisely, this name comes from the Hebrew root word aleph-bet-daled, which means "lost".In Job 26:6; Proverbs 15:11 Abaddon means "place of destruction", or "realm of the dead". In Revelation 9:11, it is personified as Abaddon, "Angel of the Abyss". Many biblical scholars believe Abaddon to be Satan or the antichrist. Others argue that is a mistaken view since the angel "Abaddon" possesses the keys to the Abyss into which Satan is hurled or imprisoned, indicating that he serves as Satan's "jailer" and must therefore be someone else.
2. Our newest arrival on the island, George Minkowski, connects to the idea of time travel or lost time:
George Minkowski is the name of the man on the other end of the satellite phone when Jack calls at the end of "Through the Looking Glass". He is also heard in "The Beginning of the End".
"Minkowski" is the name of a German mathematician. The space which is named after him is a hyper-dimensional manifold in which Einstein's equations for special relativity are perfectly solvable.
It wants us to go back...
Watched the episode again and found some interesting things. First, Hurley was part of the Locke camp after the division, we know that Kate and Jack made it off, so this means there was either a reintegration of the two camps or something else went down...
I also found this last conversation between Jack and Hurley very interesting, where (as Sam and Walead informed me) they were playing HORSE in the mental institution gym...
Hurley "you're checking to see if I was gonna tell... if I was nuts"
Jack doesn't answer
Hurley "sorry... I'm sorry I went with Locke. I should have stayed with you"
Jack "It's water under the bridge man"
Hurley "I don't think we did the right thing Jack. I think it wants us to come back..."
Jack "Hurley..."
Hurley "... and it's gonna do anything it can to--"
Jack "we're never going back"
Hurley "Never say never, dude."
The it is what interests me... quite possibly it could be the island itself.
Why is it so important to keep a secret regarding other suvivors, appart from the Six? This would back up the claims that the Boaties (thanks wawa) either own or are co-owned by maybe Mitelos who wants to keep the island a secret, perpetuating the lie of the 815 wreckage reported.
Little tid-bit I noticed in the mental institution: There is a drawing on a green chalkboard of a tropical island with a palm tree, shark, water, and a little boat while the convo occurs.
The "Haitian"
So I also went back and reviewed episode 1 (isn't it awesome that episode 2 is only a day away?), and I have a question about this "lawyer" fellow. He tells Hurley he's a lawyer for Oceanic and he wants to know "are they still alive." Here's my question -- who DOES he work for?
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that he works for the Boaties because I think the assumption is that the Oceanic 6 made a deal with the Boaties to get off the island (i.e., "if you let us off the island, we will tell everyone that we were the only survivors and we'll just say we crashed in the ocean so people won't find out about the island"), so the Boaties should now be in charge of the island, and thus why would they send someone to find out if "they" are still alive? This only makes sense to me if the Boaties, once on the island, decide to stay on the island and abandon their backers, telling the Oceanic 6 to tell their backers (who have lost contact with the island again) that the Boaties all died. So the "they" could be the mutinous Boaties.
Or, he could be from the Others, in which case the "they" would presumably be the rest of the Others?
It actually makes most sense to me that he WOULD be Oceanic's lawyer and that he wants to know if the other Losties are still alive because presumably Oceanic paid hefty sums to the Losties' families under the assumption that the Losties were dead. If they're not actually dead, then Oceanic might be able to recoup some of their money.
I did read one theory that maybe he's a physical manifestation of the smoke monster, but this is both racist (why does the smoke monster have to be a dark brother?) and nonsensical (why wouldn't the smoke monster know if people on its island were still alive or not?).
Anyone have their own thoughts on who the guy was and who the "they" are?
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that he works for the Boaties because I think the assumption is that the Oceanic 6 made a deal with the Boaties to get off the island (i.e., "if you let us off the island, we will tell everyone that we were the only survivors and we'll just say we crashed in the ocean so people won't find out about the island"), so the Boaties should now be in charge of the island, and thus why would they send someone to find out if "they" are still alive? This only makes sense to me if the Boaties, once on the island, decide to stay on the island and abandon their backers, telling the Oceanic 6 to tell their backers (who have lost contact with the island again) that the Boaties all died. So the "they" could be the mutinous Boaties.
Or, he could be from the Others, in which case the "they" would presumably be the rest of the Others?
It actually makes most sense to me that he WOULD be Oceanic's lawyer and that he wants to know if the other Losties are still alive because presumably Oceanic paid hefty sums to the Losties' families under the assumption that the Losties were dead. If they're not actually dead, then Oceanic might be able to recoup some of their money.
I did read one theory that maybe he's a physical manifestation of the smoke monster, but this is both racist (why does the smoke monster have to be a dark brother?) and nonsensical (why wouldn't the smoke monster know if people on its island were still alive or not?).
Anyone have their own thoughts on who the guy was and who the "they" are?
2.04.2008
Daddy Issues
Hey peoples!!
Wheee!! LOST begins!
Anywho, to get us back in the swing of things, i thought i'd start off looking at "The Beginning of the End" through the lens of the theme of "Daddy Issues" which has so often popped up in LOST. Thoughts/observations/questions:
1. Hurley was driving the Camaro he had been fixing up with his Dad, last season. Evidently, he finally got it on the road.
2. Ben showed paternal sentiment for the first time ("I don't want my daughter--"); only to be smacked down (literally) by Rousseau ("She is not your daughter!"). Did she mean that literally, or, uh, not?
3. According to Lostpedia (and a review of the ep bears this out) the dude sitting in the chair in Jacob's cabin is Jack's dad. Wearing white sneakers. What's that about?
4. Jack's back to drinking, starting his day with a screwdriver... and if we remember our Freud, from "Moses and Monotheism," the development of culture - repeated in the development of each individual - is when the Son kills the Father, and then out of guilt and sadness takes on his characteristics and Becomes the Father. (apologies to Walead, who is probably writhing in agony at my over-simplified/possibly erroneous interpretation).
5. Aaron lost his father figure.
Anything else?
xo
Sam JM
Wheee!! LOST begins!
Anywho, to get us back in the swing of things, i thought i'd start off looking at "The Beginning of the End" through the lens of the theme of "Daddy Issues" which has so often popped up in LOST. Thoughts/observations/questions:
1. Hurley was driving the Camaro he had been fixing up with his Dad, last season. Evidently, he finally got it on the road.
2. Ben showed paternal sentiment for the first time ("I don't want my daughter--"); only to be smacked down (literally) by Rousseau ("She is not your daughter!"). Did she mean that literally, or, uh, not?
3. According to Lostpedia (and a review of the ep bears this out) the dude sitting in the chair in Jacob's cabin is Jack's dad. Wearing white sneakers. What's that about?
4. Jack's back to drinking, starting his day with a screwdriver... and if we remember our Freud, from "Moses and Monotheism," the development of culture - repeated in the development of each individual - is when the Son kills the Father, and then out of guilt and sadness takes on his characteristics and Becomes the Father. (apologies to Walead, who is probably writhing in agony at my over-simplified/possibly erroneous interpretation).
5. Aaron lost his father figure.
Anything else?
xo
Sam JM
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